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Putting on a good writing track

Now that it’s my job to organize the writing track for a convention, I’d like to ask for some input on a few things. This question is not only directed at anyone who has been a programming or track lead for a convention, but to anyone who has been a panelist at one.

What have been your best/worst experiences in trying to schedule, produce, and put on panels?

I can think of a couple of possibly conflicting objectives. The first is that the lineup of panels should collectively cover all or at least most of the basics of being a writer in the furry community. The second is to give panelists the latitude to come up with their own ideas for panels and decide what to cover on their own. I’m concerned that too much of the former will give the impression that the subject matter of the panels is overspecified and the panelists might feel like they have too little latitude to decide what they want to cover. But too much of the latter could end up looking disorganized, a free-for-all where too many panels overlap subject matter while some important topic areas go unaddressed. How do you find the balance?

Finally, many panels have multiple panelists. Do the panelists normally coordinate this on their own, or does this come about as a result of coordination (matchmaking, if you will) by the programming/track leadership?

You may also want to take into consideration other highly attended panels at a con (like the fursuit parade) as those can take a large chunk of attendees and even panelists and possibly plan around them or just not have a panel at that time.

From what I understand, Programming has a lot of control with scheduling. People who just run a track have little to no say in what gets when; I think you can have an influence of what DAY your panel is on (because I think they handle which panels come first vs. last) but what TIME is merely asking.

Also, inevitably something ends up opposite fursuit parade, etc. The con has to put something at that time slot. It’s just a crapshoot.

However, on the topic of scheduling, there are a few points.

  1. Early panels are death. Anything at 8-10 am is only going to be attended by early birds and die hards. This is especially true of Saturday and Sunday, because people were up too late and/or drinking. This is one of those things you have no control over. Panels at 4-6pm are going to be hard on attendance because people want food/dealer’s room is closing. Panels after 7 are IMO good because there’s little else to do except eat or go to a Dance, so you might have more attendance there.

  2. If you have a lot of panels, don’t put authors on say, more than 8, and definitely not like 4 panels in a row. Panelists need to eat, they need breaks, they get freaking tired. Panelists also sort of lose their minds and riot around 8.

  3. If possible, space your panels so that there’s time in between each one, not just because of #2, but because people like to gather and ask the panelists questions afterwards. If another panel is starting in that room, everyone has to clear out.

  4. Unless the topic is REALLY POPULAR with a LOT of things to talk about (genre panels, adult panel) or a BIG attendance with lots of questions, panels sag if they run over an hour. People run out of steam, questions dry up.

I have run more writing tracks than I can remember, and have given panels in even more. That said…

I’ve always claimed that running a writing track is the easiest job on a con’s staff. All you have to do is schedule a handful of panels, then attend them to see how well they’re accepted. It’s just not that hard.

Part of what makes it so easy is that there are so few writers genuinely qualified to give panels at any given convention. (Rain Furrest is to my knowledge the sole exception, where there’s more talent than room-hours avaialble.) Only the larger events generally attract more than one or two willing authors/editors/publishers, so there’s no difficulties in choosing who your panelists will be-- indeed, one of the biggest problems is being stuck with the same people year after year. Such panelists will often have only one or two panels they really want to give. Since you’re only going to schedule four or five hours of programming regardless, that’s just about perfect. The bad news is that if you’re not careful you’ll get exactly the same panels given exactly the same way year after year.

Another problem you may have is that quite often the best writers are poor speakers. While we’re fortunate in that many furry writers make excellent panelists, some do in fact simply suck at it. Skill in writing doesn’t always equate to skill in public speaking, and one problem the track-giver may have is a would-be panelist who simply isn’t up to the job.

Another issue to look our for is that sometimes writers violently disagree on even the basics. One year at Anthrocon two panelists-- of which I was one-- were due to an error asked to host panels on precisely the same subject, almost exactly 24 hours apart. I’m a self-taught, past-his-prime southern redneck bar-fighter of an author, an autoworker by profession with no degree of any kind. The other panelist was a young northeastern English major working on a doctorate in a literary specialty so narrow and obscure I still can’t believe it actually truly exists. He was unpublished but had tons of class work to call on. The short version is that our panels were vastly different affairs in both style and substance; he wore a suit and I wore road-weary motorcycle gear. We didn’t even remotely agree on a single key point, and I’m reasonably certain that we’d have utterly failed if placed on the rostrum together. Indeed, we might even have used foul language at each other-- we were so totally oil and water that it wasn’t funny. Yet separately we both got nice rounds of applause. So, in regards to single panelists versus multiple… I’d advise using common sense. If I’ve done a hundred panels with author xyz and we work well together, (s)he and I can get away with doing things like shuffling around at the last minute and sharing a table without prior notice. If panelists haven’t worked together, use more caution.

All of that said…

Usually the first thing I do is figure out who my target audience is. Am I putting together programming for serious writers seeking to improve their craft, or for brand-new beginners and casual walk-ins who are mostly at the con to look at the cool suiters? The answer matters; if I want to help current writers I’ll set up panels on more advanced topics like “Literary Theme” or “Narrative Hooks”. If I’m aiming at the more casual crowd, the subjects will be along the lines of “How to Get Published”. There’s a hidden trap here, in that if you do beginning topics there are only just so many. I’ve done “How to Get Published” so many times now that my gorge rises a little at the very idea of doing it again, and at cons where the leadership has asked me to keep things at a beginning level attendance falls off rapidly in two or three years because, well… There’s only so much beginner-level advice a man can give so the panels are identical year after year. For what it’s worth, I’ve found the “advanced” approach to be a lot better-- generating more attendance and active questions and such-- than the “beginner” syllabus overall. The topics themselves are just so much more interesting… But upper con staff rarely agrees.

On another front… I’ve seen some serious writing track fails. Two were really memorable for me. Once I attended a con that truly prides itself on its writing track. And they kept priding themselves on it right up until the moment when the Track Coordinator, who was scheduled to give a dozen hours of programming or so, decided he couldn’t make it to most of the Con. This was on Con Thursday. I volunteered at the last moment and took it all over, in addition to about another ten hours of prgramming I was already scheduled for myself. I know you’re not in the least like that, but sickness and stuffs can and does happen so it helps it you have an understudy. The other thing I see happen-- far more than it should!-- is for track heads to not show up at their own track’s panels. This happened one year at a con where a panelist had far too much to drink and missed a full day (or perhaps two, I don’t remember for sure) of giving panels. I again stepped in and took over, this time without telling anyone because I hadn’t planned to give panels at this con and therefore had no idea of who to tell-- after all, I figgered, the Track Coordinator would show up soon after I began. As things worked out, it was over two years before the con staff learned that I’d given about 6-10 hours of panels in their rooms that they’d paid for and spoken in their names without anything even slightly resembling authorization. For all the track coordinator did to monitor things, I could’ve spent every minute of that time selling kiddie porn.

Regarding other events… It’s almost become a running joke that I’m always scheduled opposite the Fursuit Parade, no matter what con I go to. At one point, I’d not seen a fursuit parade in four years! Indeed, in recent times people often actively ask me to do a panel opposite the Parade on the grounds that some people are creeped out by or just don’t like fursuits and need somewhere else to go. I’ve found that it’s best not to try and do a panel with the resulting audience of three or so-- if you’re going to do something like this make it a reading instead. Just be sure not to hold the small crowd against the panelist. It’s not his or her fault. You should also warn the panelist not to expect much, so their feelings aren’t hurt.

At any rate… I suggest being bold and taking on the tougher topics like “Writing Narrative Hooks” as opposed to “How to Get Published”. Aim high, sez I, and it usually works out well. A writer’s “Meet and Greet” can work well as the first event, but in my experience it takes a panelist of a certain level of speaking skill to make it a success. Your first panel is crucial-- people will skip the rest if it sucks. A “Writer Guest of Honor” is a tremendous help in generating programming-- IMO if the convention is serious about supporting furry writing they’ll get you one at least every second or third year. And all panels are best-attended if held between about two and six PM.

Finally… Make sure your panelists understand that the panel is about the congoers, not selling their own books. Most long-time furries don’t need to be told this, but… If they’re not there to advance the craft and put the needs of the con attendees ahead of their own, well… I’d make sure they never came back. Not as panelists, at least. But then, I’m a crochety, uneducated old redneck.

I agree with a lot of what Rechan stated and would like to chime in that putting panels at 11pm at night is also panel kill for the most part, though it also depends on the subject matter. (erotica panels seem to do really well late at night)

So here are a couple experiences of mine that have been good/bad doing panels:

  • One negative experience dealt with a panelist at RF staying through a panel he wasn’t supposed to be on and hijacking it from the three panelists running it. I was later told by the con staff that I should have gotten them and they would have removed the panelist as they considered it extremely rude.

  • One local con kept slacking off on getting back to the writers interested in running the writing track, right up until a week or two before the convention itself. They didn’t listen to any suggestions that were made, even when it was pointed out that one of the panels was insulting to writing and writers. Generally panelists are willing to help out, that’s why we do panels in the first place, so you can take advantage of that. (especially if you have to shift panels around or you need people to fill in for panelists that can’t do a panel)

  • Having two or three high energy people on a panel, especially a large audience one (anything erotic generally), will create an amazing panel. Take the RF panel last year with Rechan, myself and Roland. Rechan and I were feeding off each other’s energy and had the audience laughing and participating as we went through the hour. From what I saw, a lot of people had fun. Roland wasn’t high energy at the time and unfortunately that left him out, which is why I say if you can get a group of high energy people, the results can be interesting.

-RF did a ‘girls only’ writing 101, and a ‘boys only’ writing 101. This was a good idea and turned out amazing. (more so cause I think the girls kicked our asses with their panel)

  • Make sure the person you are sticking on a panel has experience in what they are talking about. If it’s a horror panel, make sure they write horror. Same with erotica. One book/story does not an expert make.

Hope those help.

Yeah, IMO the latest you should schedule a panel is 10pm. Anything else is going to have serious turnout issues.

One local con kept slacking off on getting back to the writers interested in running the writing track, right up until a week or two before the convention itself. They didn't listen to any suggestions that were made, even when it was pointed out that one of the panels was insulting to writing and writers. Generally panelists are willing to help out, that's why we do panels in the first place, so you can take advantage of that. (especially if you have to shift panels around or you need people to fill in for panelists that can't do a panel)
This right here is about COMMUNICATION. Contact people, and keep them up to date. And don't just do that at the last minute. The earlier you can get everything hashed out the better.

Also, see if you can find some local authors who, while are not FURRY, have bleed over or are topical. That brings a lot of nice perspective. RF routinely does this.

Make sure the person you are sticking on a panel has experience in what they are talking about. If it's a horror panel, make sure they write horror. Same with erotica. One book/story does not an expert make.

Sometimes it’s hard to have enough panelists who are versed in the subject, or have a subject where you have people who are strong in it. Sometimes someone needs to cover. That Happens, but yes, don’t put someone who’s never been published on a panel about getting published. Also, pay attention to who requests being on one panel. If you have someone who LOVES mysteries and says "I want to be on the mystery panel please that’s the #1 priority of mine’, don’t Not put them on the mystery panel.

Number of Panelists: If it’s not a “reading of” or “ask me about my book everyone loves” or “GoH” thing, 1 person on a panel is a Strain. The more the better, but that introduces more issues like balancing who’s on what, dealing with personalities, etc. 4 people on a panel is the max I would do UNLESS you have a Dedicated moderator who is there moving things along. I went to a local con that had a dedicated moderator whose job was asking questions when the audience wasn’t, keeping the panel on track, and stopping panelists from dominating the conversation. Conversation-dominators is one thing you have to worry about, but you wont’ know WHO is problematic until you’ve seen them. Once you know who i tis, work to counterbalance them.

I’ll echo Rabbit and say that a mix of beginner and intermediate topics are good. Some people are past beginner, and people who feel they are good at X will just skip that panel, so have a variety of topics. You can’t cover everything - there’s too many things going on in writing. And cons have a habit of covering THE SAME topics so trying to do something at least different (like Rabbit’s suggestion of narrative hooks/themes) is at least nice.

Also, I see so few writing workshops. By that I mean a panel that has at least one 5 minute writing exercise, where the panelist gives a prompt, the audience writes and then reads their writing aloud. Those are always fun and useful. You can get the con to supply everyone with hotel stationary notepad and cheap pen, but often this means putting tables in panel rooms (Which cuts down on room for attendees; not bad if the topic isn’t SUPER POPULAR).

Finally, many panels have multiple panelists. Do the panelists normally coordinate this on their own, or does this come about as a result of coordination (matchmaking, if you will) by the programming/track leadership?
The track head does it. Unless an author says "OOH OOH ME ME I WANT ON THAT PANEL" then it's just mix and match on your half. In my experience, somewhere of like 80% of panelists prepare nothing, and it is SUPER RARE to see panelists talk about it amongst themselves beforehand ten minutes before the panel.

Panel structure: in my experience, unless the topic is SUPER POPULAR, the audience is only worth about 15 minutes of questions. Preparing only 30 minutes of remarks (or going in with no prep and just waiting for topics to come along) end up with struggling to find things to talk about. Prepare more, and if you don’t use that material, no harm done. Sometimes you will get more questions, and that’s great, BUT don’t expect it. It’s also easier to have questions come as the panel goes, then to set aside Q&A time - asking people “GIMMIE QUESTIONS NOW” often doesn’t get the result. The problem with “as you go” questions is that they can eat up a lot of time with rambling, or they just keep coming.

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Make sure the person you are sticking on a panel has experience in what they are talking about. If it's a horror panel, make sure they write horror. Same with erotica. One book/story does not an expert make.

I’d like to point out here that many smaller cons, the kinds I mostly do, will be lucky to have a single published author in attendance. In the early days of the fandom, where much of my own experience lies, having a fanbase of twenty or so furs was enough to make you a writing “expert”, and many cons had no writing track at all due to massive lack of interest. Conditions along these same lines continue to exist at smaller cons to this day. More than once I’ve had to give all the panels myself simply because I couldn’t find anyone else even close to qualified, or even any other unqualified volunteers. This is not a Good Thing, I’ll grant. But at a certain point all the other alternatives suck too.

Thank god things are changing, but I felt the need to point this out for the sake of the small-con guy who reads this and wonders why he doesn’t have a dozen published panelgivers to choose from. The large cons live in a different universe from the small ones.

With writing tracks, I find that those with people who really love what they’re doing and love to talk about it tend to do well. High energy and great speaking ability is a plus for any panel, and writing panels are no different.

One horror story I do have about panels is from attending a local southern California convention. It was a meet-and-greet, and upon going into the room to prepare, I found that no one from the convention was on staff to change the rooms or keep tabs, and small groups had overtaken the room. I went to the room I was assigned, and the folks said they were given the room by staff. “Try next door,” they said, since the room was just one big room split in half. I go next door, seeing my panel on the sign, and the group inside this room told me the same thing.

The convention staff was nowhere to be seen even as we finally commandeered a room, which was ridiculous that we even had to go to such lengths. Without anyone to help us, the panel/meetup started ten minutes late, and we ended up bleeding into the start of another panel because folks just wanted to continue talking. I found myself frazzled as a panelist and someone who worked on staff for the con for a year or so prior. With situations like these, I tend not to want to return and hold any panels because I don’t feel supported or even respected. Thankfully, I found out that I wasn’t the only one having these situations. It really wrecked an exciting chance to have fun talking about craft.

Has anyone else had anything like this?

I’ve had to fight for my room more than once, due to everything from last-minute reschedulings (no one told me) to typos on the schedule to failed room dividers (two rooms suddenly became one) to (very rarely) other panels that simply refused to clear the room. (This was universally due to the attendees refusing to cease asking questions, etc-- never a panelist deliberately taking extra time. Though one or two has let themselves be pushed around for ten to fifteen minutes…) This, I’ll add, is when the Track Head is most needed. An ideal, perfect one would both help fill and empty the room and help deal with matters when things go wrong. Sadly, they’re rarely to be found at these most critical of moments.

As a result of this, I’ve developed a method. I arrive at my room fifteen minutes early, and at two minutes till stick my head in and, with a very confident smile, remind everyone that the room is needed Very Soon. I usually still start a minute or two late as a result-- two minutes notice isn’t long enough to sum up the panel and clear the room-- but I don’t feel comfortable making noise any earlier. I then end my own panel five minutes early. If the attendees protest I remind them gently abut how we had to start late (which is usually true) and explain that we can do better by our fellow attendees than that. I then move towards the door as quickly as the crowd allows without being actively rude, answering all questions but not ceasing to move (if possible) while doing so. Then I hang around in the hall and answer more questions until none are left. There are still flow problems in the doorway and hall as a result, but it’s the best routine I’ve been able to work out.

I’ll add here that I’ve been late to two panels. One of them was due to a change in time zones-- I still feel awful about that one. The other was a situation where I was scheduled so that I had to be two places at once. Luckily, in both cases the Track Head helped out.

Unlike most other panelists, I actively prefer to do two in a row so long as it’s not before noon and I’ve been able to eat and caffeinate-- it’s easier to do a “marathon” than vacate the room and hand it off as described above. I also would rather not do more than five hours a day, though I’ve pulled it off more than once with the very welcome support of co-panelists. Panelists are human too, and a result may have non-standard peeves and preferences. Each will have unique needs. Me, I’ve learned to survive whatever is thrown at me with a cheerful grin and try never to ask anyone for for anything except what I covet most-- afternoon and evening panels only.

I would like to thank everyone who has responded to this thread so far. There is some great advice and some good anecdotes that I can learn from. As mentioned elsewhere, the convention in question is Midwest FurFest, which is one of the largest and in recent years has been an underachiever in the writing department compared to other larger furry cons.

Having panels scheduled opposite major events is always a concern, especially the fursuit parade, but as the guy who has to schedule them all it may be difficult or impossible to avoid having at least a couple of panels at the same time as some of these events. I guess this is something I’ll find out more about as work with the programming leads and learn the scheduling process. On the plus side, the biggest events are likely to be scheduled at the same times as previous years.

Another scheduling concern is that some of the potential panelists are affiliated with publishers we expect to have in the Dealer’s Den, and we would need to be careful that any of their panels don’t create problems for them staffing their tables. It would help if at least some of their panels are scheduled outside Dealer’s Den hours.

As far as getting good, experienced writers to do panels, you’ve all heard the saying that beggars can’t be choosers, and if I don’t get enough panelists who have the credentials to lead a discussion on a particular topic I may have to take whoever volunteers. And yes, I’d like to get at least two, preferably three panelists on each one, unless of course someone comes to me with a panel they’re prepared to do alone. I don’t want to push anyone into doing panels outside their areas of expertise, or into doing more of them than they’re comfortable with.

I’m also bouncing around ideas how to promote the writing track (and furry writing in general) to the broader convention attendance. It would be most unfortunate if I were to get 20 panels on the schedule only to have them poorly attended.

Big lesson that I’m getting from multiple posts here, though I had planned to do so anyway, is to be there and be supportive of the panelists and make sure things are running smoothly.

From what I see at cons, typically the panels with the publishers are during dealer’s den hours. It really depends on if the publisher has more than 1 person behind the table at that con. Sometimes, it’s just one person, so they can’t, but a big con like MFF they likely will have people helping. Best to just check.

It would be most unfortunate if I were to get 20 panels on the schedule only to have them poorly attended.
Well I would hesitate to put 20 panels on a con that hasn't had a lot of attendance to writing panels in the past. THat's a bit cart before the horse.

Bliz would be a great one to ask about this since he and Hunter have run the RF writing track for I don’t know how many years x.x Essentially though they’re major contributors in making RF ~the~ writing convention. Bliz has been running ragged with a whole lot of OT from work, btw, and that’s why we haven’t seen much of him. We haven’t driven him off yet X3

pokes his head out of the darkness and puts on his RF Hat

Okay, speaking as someone who’s helped organize and run a writing track. Here are some things you can do to help get a good idea of what and who you’re dealing with, and make your selection process a bit easier.

  1. When you have a panelist volunteer (or like us if you invite them, because we’re control freaks. FELINE AGENDA MUAHAHAHAHA!), ask for a short bio including any published works, where they post to, and what kind of work or genre they’ve been in. Take a little bit to look at some of what they’re involved in and how they present themselves. This will go a LONG way to weeding out the ‘OOH ME ME ME!’ from the qualified panelists.

  2. Always ask your potential panelists about things they do NOT want to do. Someone only wants to do things on Sunday? Keep that in mind. Won’t be available until 2pm? Not a problem. Limitations are not just about what the panelists cannot do. Everything you ask them to do is going to take away from other things they are going to do at the con, so don’t overschedule someone. Our rule has always been a 3-panel limit. No more than that a day, so at most someone is away from the con for no more than 3 hours.

  3. Attend other cons and see the people you’re going to be asking. Sometimes that’s all it takes. You can know right then and there if this is someone you want on your panels.

Here’s my example. I’m a short fiction author trying to become a novelist for either fantasy or science fiction. My published works are all done through the Rainfurrest Anthology, and I have a few short pieces up on Furaffinity under my online hand of blizleopard. Previously I wrote fan fiction on theforce.net under the handle ‘Albion’.

My credentials by this do not make me look as good for being a panelist… however… (and I hope ocean can back me up!) I made a rather engaging panelist on Writing Action Sequences, and was able to use a critique from Voice as an example on how to handle criticism on your work in another instance.

  1. Never be afraid to ask other conventions for help. People think conventions are often times a competition. Everyone wants to be the big dog, but in reality, most of it is just territorial issues and con politics. Like Rabbit said, going to others for advice is no problem, and we’re always willing to help how we can. For Vancoufur, I gave their new Writing Track lead my abysmal spreadsheets I use for organizing the panelist, the panels, and the scheduling so he had a springboard to either start work on his own thing, or build from what I made. Same can always be done here.

  2. Never be afraid to say no. Sometimes it feels like you’re so desperate for content you’ll put just about anyone in a spot to fill the crunch. There is nothing wrong with spaces in your schedule, and there is nothing wrong with looking at a panel idea, and saying ‘This is going to suck.’ and then going back to that person and saying ‘While your idea is appreciated, we don’t think we have the ability to fit it in with this year’s convention.’. No SHOULD ALWAYS be polite. I cannot stress this enough. FWG is proof enough that writers talk amongst themselves, and a bad rep spreads twice as fast as a good one.

  3. Never be afraid to try. We’ve tried and failed on various new panel ideas over the years with Rainfurrest. Nothing always succeeds. There are going to be old standbys that you have for every convention, there’s panels that someone REALLY REALLY wants to do and sounds fun, and there’s always going to be ones you’re not sure on, but want to give a shot. Let failure happen, and learn from it rather than letting it weigh you down. Because as long as the congoers see the genuine effort you’re making to improve the quality and entertainment of the track? They’ll forgive you quite a bit.

Anyways, that me weighing in, take it as you will!

Ask and ye shall receiveth X3